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Perkins: 20aliens: ENGLAND. 1989Chris Steele-Perkins
Perkins: 20aliens:
ENGLAND. 1989Chris Steele-Perkins

20aliens: ENGLAND. 1989Chris Steele-Perkins

Perkins: I THINK, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT'S NOT THE REAL QUESTION, ANDREW... -REGARDING THE PRIME MINISTER'S RESPONSE TO THE THREAT? ...THE REAL QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT HE'S MAN ENOUGH TO STAND UP TO US YES, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S BEEN ANY REACTION TO THE PIECE THAT WAS RUN IN THE DAILY PLANET THIS MORNING HAVEN'T READ IT, HAVEN'T SEEN IT LET'S SEE... COLBY? -IT'S THE LOIS LANE PIECE, IT RAN THIS MORNING ABOUT THE REFUGEE CAMPS CAN'T COMMENT IF I HAVEN'T READ IT, COLBY, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS THAT WERE RELEASED TODAY? DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? I DO ACTUALLY, LEE-ANNE.. NOW D ...I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBERS ABOUT THE NUMBERS LOIS? SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ONES REPORTED THIS MORNING, YES ALL RIGHT PRESS ALCESS -ALL PAID TO INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION IN EXCHANGE FOR- 9.4 MILLION DOLLARS FROM MERRICK UNROE, 10.7 FROM LEXCORP ANOTHER 8.5 FROM AGGER AND SHAW THAT'S ENOUGH, THAT'S NOT- WAIT, WAIT- THE GRANTING OF SPECIFIC CONTRACTS, INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL 22 MILLION EARMARKED FOR QUOTE-UNQUOTE TENDER CARE CAMPS WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE FIGURES? YOU'RE MAKING IT UP THAT'S ALL THIS IS I'M NOT AT LIBERTY TO DIVULGE MY SOURCES ...I THINK YOU NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. I'M NOT GOING TO DIGNIFY LET'S TAKE ANOTHER DO YOU DENY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS MONETIZING THE SEPARATION OF CHILDREN FROM THEIR FAMILIES? IS THAT A DENIAL? MS MCCARTHY? ANSWER THE QUESTION, LEE-ANNE GLORIA, DO YOU- ANSWER THE QUESTION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS EIGHTEEN MONTHS... A REMARKABLE EXCHANGE TODAY BETWEEN PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING JOURNALIST LOIS LANE AND WHITE HOUSE SPOKESPERSON LEE-ANNE MCCARTHY..." CULMINATING IN LANE'S EJECTION FROM THE BRIEFING AND THE REVOKING OF HER CREDENTIALS WHEN THE PRESS SECRETARY REFUSED TO ANSWER ALLEGATIONS PUBLISHED IN THE DAILY PLANET THIS MORNING DESPITE REPEATED REQUESTS TO DO SO... "LUPON RESUMPTION OF THE BRIEFING MCCARTHY AGAIN FACED QUESTIONING... THIS TIME BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PRESS CORPS WHO CONTINUED LANE'S LINE OF INQUIRY RESULTING IN MCCARTHY CALLING A PREMATURE END TO THE BRIEFING "AT THIS TIME, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS OFFERED NO FURTHER COMMENT ON THE EXCHANGE... MORE ON THIS STORY AS IT DEVELOPS..." why-i-love-comics: Lois Lane #1 - “Enemy of the People” (2019) written by Greg Ruckaart by Mike Perkins & Paul Mounts
Perkins: I THINK,
 I THINK WE ALL
 KNOW THAT'S
 NOT THE REAL
 QUESTION,
 ANDREW...
 -REGARDING
 THE PRIME MINISTER'S
 RESPONSE TO THE
 THREAT?
 ...THE REAL
 QUESTION IS
 WHETHER OR NOT
 HE'S MAN ENOUGH
 TO STAND UP
 TO US
 YES, I'M WONDERING IF
 THERE'S BEEN ANY REACTION
 TO THE PIECE THAT WAS RUN
 IN THE DAILY PLANET THIS
 MORNING
 HAVEN'T
 READ IT,
 HAVEN'T
 SEEN IT
 LET'S
 SEE...
 COLBY?
 -IT'S
 THE LOIS LANE
 PIECE, IT RAN THIS
 MORNING ABOUT
 THE REFUGEE
 CAMPS
 CAN'T
 COMMENT IF I
 HAVEN'T READ
 IT, COLBY,
 CAN WE
 TALK ABOUT THE
 NUMBERS THAT
 WERE RELEASED
 TODAY? DOES
 ANYONE HAVE A
 QUESTION ABOUT
 THAT?
 I DO
 ACTUALLY,
 LEE-ANNE..
 NOW D
 ...I ACTUALLY
 DO HAVE A
 QUESTION
 ABOUT THE
 NUMBERS
 ABOUT THE
 NUMBERS
 LOIS?
 SPECIFICALLY
 ABOUT THE ONES
 REPORTED THIS
 MORNING, YES
 ALL
 RIGHT
 PRESS
 ALCESS

 -ALL PAID
 TO INDIVIDUAL
 MEMBERS OF THE
 ADMINISTRATION
 IN EXCHANGE
 FOR-
 9.4 MILLION DOLLARS
 FROM MERRICK
 UNROE, 10.7 FROM
 LEXCORP ANOTHER 8.5
 FROM AGGER AND
 SHAW
 THAT'S
 ENOUGH,
 THAT'S
 NOT-
 WAIT,
 WAIT-
 THE
 GRANTING OF SPECIFIC
 CONTRACTS, INCLUDING
 AN ADDITIONAL 22
 MILLION EARMARKED
 FOR QUOTE-UNQUOTE
 TENDER CARE
 CAMPS
 WHERE
 ARE YOU GETTING
 THIS? WHERE ARE
 YOU GETTING THESE
 FIGURES?
 YOU'RE
 MAKING IT UP
 THAT'S ALL
 THIS IS
 I'M NOT
 AT LIBERTY TO
 DIVULGE MY
 SOURCES
 ...I THINK
 YOU NEED TO
 ANSWER THE
 QUESTION.
 I'M NOT
 GOING TO DIGNIFY
 LET'S TAKE
 ANOTHER
 DO YOU DENY THAT
 THE ADMINISTRATION
 IS MONETIZING THE
 SEPARATION OF
 CHILDREN FROM THEIR
 FAMILIES?
 IS THAT A
 DENIAL? MS
 MCCARTHY?
 ANSWER
 THE QUESTION,
 LEE-ANNE
 GLORIA,
 DO YOU-
 ANSWER
 THE QUESTION.
 WE'RE
 TALKING ABOUT
 CHILDREN
 AS YOUNG AS
 EIGHTEEN
 MONTHS...
 A REMARKABLE
 EXCHANGE TODAY BETWEEN
 PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING
 JOURNALIST LOIS LANE AND
 WHITE HOUSE SPOKESPERSON
 LEE-ANNE MCCARTHY..."

 CULMINATING
 IN LANE'S EJECTION
 FROM THE BRIEFING
 AND THE REVOKING OF
 HER CREDENTIALS
 WHEN THE PRESS
 SECRETARY REFUSED TO
 ANSWER ALLEGATIONS
 PUBLISHED IN THE DAILY
 PLANET THIS MORNING
 DESPITE REPEATED
 REQUESTS TO DO SO...
 "LUPON RESUMPTION
 OF THE BRIEFING
 MCCARTHY AGAIN
 FACED QUESTIONING...
 THIS TIME BY OTHER
 MEMBERS OF THE PRESS CORPS
 WHO CONTINUED LANE'S LINE OF
 INQUIRY RESULTING IN MCCARTHY
 CALLING A PREMATURE END TO
 THE BRIEFING
 "AT THIS TIME, THE
 ADMINISTRATION
 HAS OFFERED NO
 FURTHER COMMENT
 ON THE EXCHANGE...
 MORE ON
 THIS STORY AS
 IT DEVELOPS..."
why-i-love-comics:

Lois Lane #1 - “Enemy of the People” (2019)
written by Greg Ruckaart by Mike Perkins & Paul Mounts

why-i-love-comics: Lois Lane #1 - “Enemy of the People” (2019) written by Greg Ruckaart by Mike Perkins & Paul Mounts

Perkins: How a flawed criminal justice system put a pregnant Detroit activist behind bars by Tom Perkins April 02, 2018 at 10:37 AM comment <p><a href="http://lovelyardie.tumblr.com/post/173718002277/krungle-colionnoir-ra-who-is-pregnant" class="tumblr_blog">lovelyardie</a>:</p> <blockquote><p><a href="http://krungle.tumblr.com/post/173692650832/colionnoir-ra-who-is-pregnant-sits-in" class="tumblr_blog">krungle</a>:</p><blockquote> <p><a href="https://colionnoir.tumblr.com/post/173689971140/ra-who-is-pregnant-sits-in-prison-where-she" class="tumblr_blog">colionnoir</a>:</p> <blockquote> <p>Ra — who is pregnant — sits in prison, where she faces the prospect of giving birth to her second child in June. According to her attorneys, she’s there because she brandished a registered firearm to defend herself, her mother, and her 2-year-old daughter from an attack by a woman who repeatedly tried hitting them with a car.<br/> ______<br/> At the sentencing, Michigan’s mandatory sentencing laws for crimes committed with a gun stripped the judge of any discretion. That eliminated consideration for the incident’s circumstances, Ra’s clean record, her community work, and other factors that should weigh into a sentence. Ra’s attorneys stress that they don’t blame the judge — they fault the Michigan Legislature, which passed the minimum sentence law in 1977.<br/> ______<br/> Beyond that, attorneys say that the jury appeared hurried to wrap up the case before a snowstorm hit, made its decision while unaware of the two-year mandatory prison term, and arrived at a contradictory verdict.<br/> _____</p> <p>And at her sentencing, Ra spoke of the role she believes race played in the jury’s decision.<br/> ______<br/> “The prosecutor convinced the jury and judge that I lacked fear and that’s not true,” Ra said. “I was so afraid, especially for my toddler and mother. I don’t believe they could imagine a black woman being scared — only mad.”<br/> ____<br/> Link to the full story is in my profile section or go here: <a href="https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/04/02/how-a-flawed-criminal-justice-system-put-a-pregnant-detroit-activist-behind-bars">https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/04/02/how-a-flawed-criminal-justice-system-put-a-pregnant-detroit-activist-behind-bars</a></p> </blockquote> <p>Let me get this straight. A liberal activist uses an unloaded gun that she kept in her car’s glove-box to back off another woman that is committing vehicular assault against her, her mother and her daughter. Yet because the other person gets to the cops first, Ra is automatically charged with the felony assault.</p> <p>Now she is yelling ‘racism’ in a city that had black mayors for forty years and a majority black city council for 50 years and presently has a black police chief. Yet she was charged and convicted under the laws these very liberal black people set into place and the lack of any mention of the jury make-up (and considering Detroit’s racial demographics of over 70% black) I seriously doubt the jury was loaded up with white people.</p> <p>But she condemns the NRA for being silent when she stored a gun in her car’s glove-box while a 2 yo played in the car showing a lack of common sense in gun ownership. But, no, it isn’t her poor gun handling/storing, it is the NRA is racist. But then the NRA didn’t defend me either when I defended myself in my own home against a mentally ill sibling who forced their way into my house and beat me with a pipe, and the reason the told me why is because I was not a card-carrying member.</p> <p style="">Seems to me this liberal activist got exactly what she had voted for.</p> <p>Stop yelling “racist!” and start voting conservative.<br/></p> </blockquote> <p>I honestly think when your sibling beat you with the pipe, they beat the only 2 of your fucking IQ points out of your piece of shit brain because you honestly tried to conflate being a young black woman exercising both her first amendment and second amendment rights with being a criminal and tried to justify her unlawful imprisonment. Lets not even mention how you willfully ignored how they are neglecting to provide her INNOCENT, UNBORN CHILD with proper prenatal care, especially since she is a high risk pregnancy. But i guess you really don’t give two shits about that, right? You have no idea who she voted for, but I guess you really never learned the difference between inferring based on your own dumbass biases and actually confirming your findings. So do us all a favor and go back to huffing some car exhaust, would ya?</p></blockquote>
Perkins: How a flawed criminal
 justice system put a
 pregnant Detroit
 activist behind bars
 by Tom Perkins April 02, 2018 at 10:37 AM
 comment
<p><a href="http://lovelyardie.tumblr.com/post/173718002277/krungle-colionnoir-ra-who-is-pregnant" class="tumblr_blog">lovelyardie</a>:</p>

<blockquote><p><a href="http://krungle.tumblr.com/post/173692650832/colionnoir-ra-who-is-pregnant-sits-in" class="tumblr_blog">krungle</a>:</p><blockquote>
<p><a href="https://colionnoir.tumblr.com/post/173689971140/ra-who-is-pregnant-sits-in-prison-where-she" class="tumblr_blog">colionnoir</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Ra — who is pregnant — sits in prison, where she faces the prospect of giving birth to her second child in June. According to her attorneys, she’s there because she brandished a registered firearm to defend herself, her mother, and her 2-year-old daughter from an attack by a woman who repeatedly tried hitting them with a car.<br/>
______<br/>
At the sentencing, Michigan’s mandatory sentencing laws for crimes committed with a gun stripped the judge of any discretion. That eliminated consideration for the incident’s circumstances, Ra’s clean record, her community work, and other factors that should weigh into a sentence. Ra’s attorneys stress that they don’t blame the judge — they fault the Michigan Legislature, which passed the minimum sentence law in 1977.<br/>
______<br/>
Beyond that, attorneys say that the jury appeared hurried to wrap up the case before a snowstorm hit, made its decision while unaware of the two-year mandatory prison term, and arrived at a contradictory verdict.<br/>
_____</p>

<p>And at her sentencing, Ra spoke of the role she believes race played in the jury’s decision.<br/>
______<br/>
“The prosecutor convinced the jury and judge that I lacked fear and that’s not true,” Ra said. “I was so afraid, especially for my toddler and mother. I don’t believe they could imagine a black woman being scared — only mad.”<br/>
____<br/>
Link to the full story is in my profile section or go here: <a href="https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/04/02/how-a-flawed-criminal-justice-system-put-a-pregnant-detroit-activist-behind-bars">https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2018/04/02/how-a-flawed-criminal-justice-system-put-a-pregnant-detroit-activist-behind-bars</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Let me get this straight. A liberal activist uses an unloaded gun that she kept in her car’s glove-box to back off another woman that is committing vehicular assault against her, her mother and her daughter. Yet because the other person gets to the cops first, Ra is automatically charged with the felony assault.</p>
<p>Now she is yelling ‘racism’ in a city that had black mayors for forty years and a majority black city council for 50 years and presently has a black police chief. Yet she was charged and convicted under the laws these very liberal black people set into place and the lack of any mention of the jury make-up (and considering Detroit’s racial demographics of over 70% black) I seriously doubt the jury was loaded up with white people.</p>
<p>But she condemns the NRA for being silent when she stored a gun in her car’s glove-box while a 2 yo played in the car showing a lack of common sense in gun ownership. But, no, it isn’t her poor gun handling/storing, it is the NRA is racist. But then the NRA didn’t defend me either when I defended myself in my own home against a mentally ill sibling who forced their way into my house and beat me with a pipe, and the reason the told me why is because I was not a card-carrying member.</p>
<p style="">Seems to me this liberal activist got exactly what she had voted for.</p>
<p>Stop yelling “racist!” and start voting conservative.<br/></p>
</blockquote>
<p>I honestly think when your sibling beat you with the pipe, they beat the only 2 of your fucking IQ points out of your piece of shit brain because you honestly tried to conflate being a young black woman exercising both her first amendment and second amendment rights with being a criminal and tried to justify her unlawful imprisonment. Lets not even mention how you willfully ignored how they are neglecting to provide her INNOCENT, UNBORN CHILD with proper prenatal care, especially since she is a high risk pregnancy. But i guess you really don’t give two shits about that, right? You have no idea who she voted for, but I guess you really never learned the difference between inferring based on your own dumbass biases and actually confirming your findings. So do us all a favor and go back to huffing some car exhaust, would ya?</p></blockquote>

<p><a href="http://lovelyardie.tumblr.com/post/173718002277/krungle-colionnoir-ra-who-is-pregnant" class="tumblr_blog">lovelyardie</a>:</...

Perkins: Thomas Drake @Thomas_Drake1 Follow Warning to America: Notice how agencies simply following&implementing patently unlawful & unconstitutional Trump exec order wlout question RETWEETS LIKES 11,552 12,493 12:29 PM-28 Jan 2017 Ben Norton @BenjaminNorton Following Customs agents are siding with Trump, willfully gnoring a federal judge's ruling that halts #MuslimBan deportations Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trump's travel ban: ACLU The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump - and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that tra... nypost.com RETWEETS LIKES 621 298 10:18 AM- 29 Jan 2017 Ben Norton @BenjaminNorton Following We're in a very dangerous time when federal agents ignore the judicial branch & blindly follow the racist orders of a far-right demagogue RETWEETS LIKES 10:20 AM- 29 Jan 2017 sleepandbooks: parentheticalaside: luceateis: shinelikethunder: pdxjenni: biglawbear: Lawblr side of Tumblr, here. I don’t think anybody even understands how terrifying this is. If the Executive can ignore the Judiciary, then we have a full-on Constitutional Crisis on our hands. Our country immediately falls apart. The only options for enforcement of judicial orders are 1) U.S. Marshals (which are ordered around by the Judiciary but ultimately still a part of the Executive as part of the Department of Justice), in which case we have an ACTUAL ARMED CONFLICT BETWEEN TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, or if the Marshals refuse to comply, 2) the Governor of the state, say Virginia, sends in the National Guard of the state, which leads to AN ARMED CONFLICT BETWEEN A STATE MILITIA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTIn case you weren’t getting the picture, let me be blunt and dramatic: this is literally Civil War-level shit right here.And Trump has been in office a week.This is fucking terrifying. I spent the day at SeaTac (Seattle-Tacoma International Airport). We got very little done because CBP refused to talk to us at all. When one of the attorneys with us annoyed them so much that they finally answered their office door (she literally knocked on it for 10 minutes straight), they directed her to the press release on their website (side note: I don’t know if there even is a press release on the CBP website). They told her they don’t care how many attorneys show up, they don’t take orders from attorneys or judges. Senator Patty Murray showed up just after 4:00 CBP refused to talk to her, too. I will repeat that: Customs and Border Patrol refused to talk to a sitting United States Senator. They refused other senators at other airports, too, according to a WaPo article I read earlier. I had to return to Portland tonight because I have work tomorrow. ACLU International Refugee Assistance Project attorneys will be back at SeaTac tomorrow at 5:30 a.m. (including my law school bestie, I am so proud).  There were 13 people detained at SeaTac yesterday who were secretly transferred to a detention facility in Tacoma, so the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project is working with attorneys to straighten that right out.  Basically: Shit is going down, y’all. The women I went up with today? Both were Arabs. One was from Pakistan, the other was from Lebanon (a Christian, a Muslim and a Jew walk into an airport…). When I asked them if I was overreacting by feeling like this was a coup-in-progress, they said no. That’s precisely what this is. I thought we had a coup-proof system. I was mistaken. Keep fighting the good fight, lawyers. And if you’re in Portland, I’ll see you at Perkins-Coie tomorrow at 5:30 for the L4GG meeting. At Dulles, CBP has been stonewalling four members of the US House of Representatives, the governer and attorney general of Virginia, and Senators Cory Booker (NJ) and Mark Warner (VA)–the latter of whom chewed out the head of CBP in person. No dice. Not even with a federal court order telling CBP at Dulles, only them, and them in particular to give detainees access to lawyers. And they’re pulling an old trick from the national-security handbook that’s been used to evade the courts on issues like domestic surveillance: “Lawyers and advocates still didn’t know how many people were being held in the secondary inspection area at Dulles or what their immigration status was, which led to a catch-22: Attorneys couldn’t file for contempt of court without having proof that legal residents were being detained and not being given access to lawyers, but they couldn’t get proof without getting access.” (x) At least two VA reps have found out (via friends and family) about constituents being detained at Dulles, at which point CBP released them in order to dodge the access-to-lawyers issue. The representative for my district is on the warpath–and also on the House Oversight Committee. Here’s hoping these fuckers get slapped with contempt of court so hard their ears ring, then get hauled in front of a committee hearing to see if they want to try their chances with contempt of Congress. All of which doesn’t even get into the Monday Night Massacre clusterfuck inside the executive branch, when the acting attorney general of the United States refused to make the DoJ defend the lawfulness of the immigration order in court. And was summarily fired and replaced with someone more compliant. So here’s also hoping the Senate puts Jeff Sessions through absolute hell on his role in all this before they vote to confirm him as AG. It’s like the civics lesson from hell. Yeah, um… about the Marshalls.  This is what’s been worrying me most since Saturday night, when reports started coming out of Dulles that CBP was ignoring court orders. This is awful and terrifying and I’m living in a hellscape I can’t escape from.
Perkins: Thomas Drake
 @Thomas_Drake1
 Follow
 Warning to America: Notice how agencies
 simply following&implementing patently
 unlawful & unconstitutional Trump exec order
 wlout question
 RETWEETS
 LIKES
 11,552 12,493
 12:29 PM-28 Jan 2017

 Ben Norton
 @BenjaminNorton
 Following
 Customs agents are siding with Trump, willfully
 gnoring a federal judge's ruling that halts
 #MuslimBan deportations
 Customs agents ignore judge, enforce Trump's travel ban: ACLU
 The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with
 President Trump - and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that tra...
 nypost.com
 RETWEETS
 LIKES
 621
 298
 10:18 AM- 29 Jan 2017

 Ben Norton
 @BenjaminNorton
 Following
 We're in a very dangerous time when federal
 agents ignore the judicial branch & blindly
 follow the racist orders of a far-right
 demagogue
 RETWEETS
 LIKES
 10:20 AM- 29 Jan 2017
sleepandbooks:
parentheticalaside:


luceateis:


shinelikethunder:

pdxjenni:

biglawbear:
Lawblr side of Tumblr, here.  I don’t think anybody even understands how terrifying this is.  If the Executive can ignore the Judiciary, then we have a full-on Constitutional Crisis on our hands.  Our country immediately falls apart.  The only options for enforcement of judicial orders are 1) U.S. Marshals (which are ordered around by the Judiciary but ultimately still a part of the Executive as part of the Department of Justice), in which case we have an ACTUAL ARMED CONFLICT BETWEEN TWO BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, or if the Marshals refuse to comply, 2) the Governor of the state, say Virginia, sends in the National Guard of the state, which leads to AN ARMED CONFLICT BETWEEN A STATE MILITIA AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTIn case you weren’t getting the picture, let me be blunt and dramatic: this is literally Civil War-level shit right here.And Trump has been in office a week.This is fucking terrifying.
I spent the day at SeaTac (Seattle-Tacoma International Airport). We got very little done because CBP refused to talk to us at all. When one of the attorneys with us annoyed them so much that they finally answered their office door (she literally knocked on it for 10 minutes straight), they directed her to the press release on their website (side note: I don’t know if there even is a press release on the CBP website). They told her they don’t care how many attorneys show up, they don’t take orders from attorneys or judges. Senator Patty Murray showed up just after 4:00  CBP refused to talk to her, too. I will repeat that: Customs and Border Patrol refused to talk to a sitting United States Senator. They refused other senators at other airports, too, according to a WaPo article I read earlier.
I had to return to Portland tonight because I have work tomorrow. ACLU  International Refugee Assistance Project attorneys will be back at SeaTac tomorrow at 5:30 a.m. (including my law school bestie, I am so proud). 
There were 13 people detained at SeaTac yesterday who were secretly transferred to a detention facility in Tacoma, so the Northwest Immigrant Rights Project is working with attorneys to straighten that right out. 
Basically: Shit is going down, y’all. The women I went up with today? Both were Arabs. One was from Pakistan, the other was from Lebanon (a Christian, a Muslim and a Jew walk into an airport…). When I asked them if I was overreacting by feeling like this was a coup-in-progress, they said no. That’s precisely what this is.
I thought we had a coup-proof system. I was mistaken.
Keep fighting the good fight, lawyers. And if you’re in Portland, I’ll see you at Perkins-Coie tomorrow at 5:30 for the L4GG meeting.

At Dulles, CBP has been stonewalling four members of the US House of Representatives, the governer and attorney general of Virginia, and Senators Cory Booker (NJ) and Mark Warner (VA)–the latter of whom chewed out the head of CBP in person. No dice. Not even with a federal court order telling CBP at Dulles, only them, and them in particular to give detainees access to lawyers.
And they’re pulling an old trick from the national-security handbook that’s been used to evade the courts on issues like domestic surveillance: “Lawyers and advocates still didn’t know how many people were being held in the secondary inspection area at Dulles or what their immigration status was, which led to a catch-22: Attorneys couldn’t file for contempt of court without having proof that legal residents were being detained and not being given access to lawyers, but they couldn’t get proof without getting access.” (x)
At least two VA reps have found out (via friends and family) about constituents being detained at Dulles, at which point CBP released them in order to dodge the access-to-lawyers issue. The representative for my district is on the warpath–and also on the House Oversight Committee. Here’s hoping these fuckers get slapped with contempt of court so hard their ears ring, then get hauled in front of a committee hearing to see if they want to try their chances with contempt of Congress.
All of which doesn’t even get into the Monday Night Massacre clusterfuck inside the executive branch, when the acting attorney general of the United States refused to make the DoJ defend the lawfulness of the immigration order in court. And was summarily fired and replaced with someone more compliant. So here’s also hoping the Senate puts Jeff Sessions through absolute hell on his role in all this before they vote to confirm him as AG.
It’s like the civics lesson from hell.

Yeah, um… about the Marshalls. 


This is what’s been worrying me most since Saturday night, when reports started coming out of Dulles that CBP was ignoring court orders.


This is awful and terrifying and I’m living in a hellscape I can’t escape from.

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AN SHERROD MARIO A JORDAN. DARNELL DAYRON STAFFORD. JOHN SCHNEIDER. KENDRIC Ⅲ·TYREE WOODSON . DARREN HUNT-OMAR Agr CUSSEAUX. JACK JACQUEZ. JASON HARRISON. YVETTE SMITH LOUSHU ROWN. KEITH A ALTON FISHER I LASHANOJ. GILBERT DANIEL ROW. AURA ROSSER DONTE SOWELL, DEWAYNE DESHAWN WARI ASKARI ROBERTS. DAVID ANDRE SCOTT JANISHA FONVILLE. ANTHONY HILL. WINFIEL WILLIS JR.. RICKY DEANGELO HINKLE. CAMERON TILLMA MAUICE JONES ROSHAD MCINTOSH.ADAMARDETT MADISON. HASHIM HANIFIBN ABDUL-RASHEED. TYSHAW NCOCK . BRATAY MCDUFFIE . TRAVIS FAISON. LEONARDO MARQUETTE LITTLE , JONATHAN RYAN PAUL . THEODO JOHN JOLLY JR.. KENDRE OMARI ALSTON. MIC EYHODGEOAOTNTCHER. ELWAH JACKSON.JERAME G. REID. CEASAR ADAMS . KAJIEME POWE BYDENZELL CURNELLRE CHENDERSON, ALJAAREAU CROSS. EARNEST SATTERWHITE SA. . DAV NSON BALANTINE MEGB SAMUEL JOHNSON. EMERSON CLAYTON JR. . LAWRENCE CAMPBELL LUTHE GARNETT . CHARLES EMMETT LOGAN . JEFFREY RAGLAND . DESMOND LUSTER S. HRON WALKER.N RGE KING. JERMONTE D SINGLETON . 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Perkins: DAN AND PHIL Seen and nerd MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR Above: YouTubers Dan Howell (left) and Phil Lester can now sell out arenas like rock stars DAN AND PHIL A geeky pair of YouTube bloggers have topped the autumn bestseller list with their debut book. Eight million teens are addicted to their channels. Josh Glancy meets the poster boys of the great British vlogger boom THE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE 41 DAN AND PHIL THE WHO? Dan and Phil - their in-jokes and "like" patois are all but impenetrable to anyone over the age of 25 here is an air of hushed excitement outside when I arrive at the arena an hour before the evening in October. And the two twentysomething British men are not rock stars, but gawky YouTube bloggers called Dan Howell and Phil Lester. and Phil have the passion of One Directioners or Beliebers (fans of Justin Bieber), but the relationship is not just one of distant obsession. Dan and Phil interact with their fans, tweet them, answer their questions and take on their challenges. For many of their followers, Dan and Phil play the role of big brother, agony aunt, newspaper columnist, comedian and sex icon combined. show begins. Groups of young teenage girls mingle nervously, cans of energy drink in one hand, iPhones glued to the other. Blue jeans and blue hair abound. Unless you are an attentive parent of a web-obsessed teenager or under 25, you are unlikely to have heard of Dan and Phil, whose online personas are Danisnotonfire and AmazingPhil. But in internet-land they are titans. Between them, they have more than 4m Twitter followers and 8m subscribers to their YouTube channels from as far afield as the USA, the Philippines and Indonesia. The pair have separate channels but also collaborate regularly. The figures don't do justice to their almost cult-like influence. Followers of Dan A voice calls from inside and the girls snap into line, trooping at speed into a VIP holding area, where free Haribo and mineral water are provided. Eventually, two young men walk in and the Toom erupts with screaming, crying, a flood of photos. "Oh, my God, you exist in real life!" one fan shouts. The girls are completely overwhelmed, yelping in excitement. The organiser tells me that fainting is a possibility, and assistants are on hand to They have been around for a few years now. Along with the likes of Alfie Deyes and Zoella they were at the heart of what they call the "great British vlogger boom" of 2013, when several vloggers went from having hundreds of thousands of followers to millions in a matter of months. But until recently, most members of the adult world, who use the internet for ordering groceries and checking the news, have continued to ignore them. Now, though, they are becoming impossible to dismiss. Last month they released a book, The Amazing Book Is Not on Fire, a glimpse into their online world and how it was created. Everyone in publishing had expected Bill Bryson's latest book to top the autumn bestseller list, > "We are nerds. We are losers. People like the fact that somebody like them has the audacity to put calm them down if necessary. This, I imagine, is what it felt like to De the Beatles in 1965, or to be One Direction today: world-famous megastars attracting nordes of feverish young women every time they land in New York or Los Angeles. Except this is not Hollywood, but the Plymouth Pavilions on a grey Tuesday themselves out there" THE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE• 43 it was immediately beaten into second place by the "amazing" book. Their debut sold almost 50,000 copies in its first fortnight. DAN AND PHIL en and Phil are outperforming books by Tom Jones, Sue Perkins and Steven Gerrard. Vlogger books are the new frontier in publishing. Last year, despite controversy over whether she actually wrote it. 7oella's debut, Girl Online, became the fastest-selling debut novel since records began, shifting 78,109 copies in just one reek. The 25-year-old fashion blogger from Wiltshire sold as if she were JK Rowling. Unsurprisingly, all the publishing houses are eager for a piece of this new alchemy. The Amazing Book Is Not on Fire doesn't fit a conventional book format. It is partly the story of Dan and Phil and partly trivia about their lives, along with silly drawings, games, emoji interviews and selfie reels. The Catcher in the Rye it is not, but intelligent children are devouring it nonetheless. To accompany the book they have developed a stand-up show and are touring the country, filling theatres and arenas from Belfast to Brighton. The unlikely princes of new media are taking old media by storm. This is what has brought me to Plymouth, with a number of questions I want answered. Who are these strange internet geeks who are taking over the real world? And how on earth do they do it? WILD AT HEART "In real life we're likely to be watching Come Dine with Me" They brush off my question about what it feels like to be unlikely sex idols by claiming that their fans only fancy them "ironically" T he Dan and Phil phenomenon is undeniably huge, but as I arrive in Plymouth I'm still slightly baffled as to what their appeal actually is. I watched several of their videos ahead of the show. They are quirky and eloquent, a paean to internet wackiness, but they also come across as fairly aimless, full of creativity without direction and smile around them, but it is difficult to believe we are all about the same age. Spending most of the past decade on YouTube has given the internet generation would stop reading printed books were wrong. "This book appeals to all sorts," says Zach, 16, one of only two boys amid a sea of girls. "There are a lot of people I know who them a Peter Pan-like quality; they come across as a pair of overgrown teenagers. "Watching Dan and Phil makes me laugh, it makes me happy," says Shelby, a 16-year-old with electric-blue hair and a pierced septum. "They have a unique connection with their audience. They act humour without any depth. A typical video might see the pair attempt to apply make-up to one another's faces while wearing a blindfold. They often conduct "seven-second challenges", submitted by fans, such as "name three things you wouldn't have tattooed on your body" or "spell Christmas backwards", which really casual with you, like you're all part of they then have seven seconds to complete. At the show, I asked some of the girls what it is they like so much about their idols. The most common response was that they are dorky everymen with whom teenagers can genuinely identify. They seem to provide an online comfort blanket, a refuge from the travails of adolescence. I joined Dan and Phil backstage for a while and found them unthreatening, clean- cut, lovable and slightly irritating. Their clothes are Topman, their hairstyles both fiercely swept Bieber-esque fringes. Their humour is also similar: a fusion of millennial their own special technique for how to paint party: Smartie Artie meets Michael Mclntyre kookiness, "like" patois and David Brentian irony. They work well together, generating a bouncy positivity that makes it hard not to would never ever read a book in their life who have bought this. They've watched the YouTube videos so they know what to expect." Zach is in the long queue to meet Dan and Phil, which involves a hug with the pair, a quick selfie and then a furious session of tweeting, Instagramming and WhatsApping the picture to jealous friends. It's only when I watch the show itself that I understand quite what is going on here. The entire thing is full of in-jokes from their vlogs. Phil sits on a giant model lion, Dan on a llama. The crowd emits an ear- splitting shriek– apparently Dan has a thing for llamas. Then they start acting out seven-second challenges. I'm the same age as Phil, 28, but I have never felt more the same internet family." Shelby is part of the sprawling, multi-platform Dan and Phil online community. She has a special Twitter account that she uses to discuss their work with virtual fans all over the country. "I love Dan and Phil because I can relate to them," says Abby, a 14-year-old fan. “I just like watching them so much. They're my favourite YouTubers because they are more personal, you can relate to them more." Like many of the girls present, Abby has cat whiskers painted on her face. This is a Dan and Phil trademark - they demonstrate appallingly middle-aged. The whole event has the feel of a large children's birthday What I quickly realise is that boring adults aren't meant to get it. Indeed, the fact they don't is part of the appeal. In the > them in one of their videos. Almost everyone is clutching a copy of Dan and Phil's book, proof that those who thought THE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE• 45 same way that pop music confounded the eardrums of mid-20th-century parents, fans of Dan and Phil like the fact that this is their DAN AND PHIL world and the rest of us don't understand. meet Dan and Phil properly the next day at the offices of their publisher. They are 24 and 28 respectively, but when Dan describes my use of a pen to take notes as "endearing", it feels like ve are from different generations. Texplain my struggle to understand what it is they actually do on YouTube. "There is a whole fanbase out there that is specifically passionate about me and Phil and what we stand for" Dan smiles knowingly. “Nobody specifically passionate about me and Phil and what we stand for," he says. understands what YouTube is vet. especially in the British media and public," represent the people who aren't cool," says Dan. "We are nerds. We are losers. People They are understandably coy about their like the fact that someone like them has the ays. "The grandma that has Facebook cees YouTube as this place where there are ints of cat videos. But really it's a Wild West frontier of independent creativity. For the frst time in the world, you don't have commissioning editors and channels and budgets. People are just independently doing whatever they want." Dan Howell, a Berkshire native, is the pin-up of the duo and turns up in a tight- itting black leather jacket and black skinny jeans. Phil Lester is older, a “YouTube dinosaur". He started on the website in the far-distant days of 2006 and was already a regular vlogger when Dan messaged him five years ago to ask for help with his own video ambitions. Both were living in Manchester at the time: Phil with his parents, having just finished a master's in video postproduction, and Dan in his first year studying law at Manchester University. "I wasn't making videos to get an audience," says Phil. "I just saw it was a cool thing that other people were doing. I was just going to talk about my day and whack it on there. It took a year to get 100 subscribers." "Everybody who is at a big place these days has been growing their channel for years," says Dan, who describes his early YouTubing as a "creative hobby with no goal in sight", and claims success came to him pretty much by accident. Things moved faster once the pair began collaborating regularly. Dan dropped out of university and the pair gave themselves a year to see if they could make a living out of YouTube. In 2013 Radio 1 brought them in to appeal to younger listeners and they quickly found themselves reporting from the Brit Awards - but YouTube has remained their main focus until the recent book and tour. "I like the book because it's a physical copy of everything we've done on YouTube," says Phil. "If we die in a meteor strike in 50 years, it will still exist." Phil may have started off as the master earnings, but it's clear they haven't looked back from their decision to try to make a living off YouTube. Estimates put Dan's wealth at £2m. Their main source of YouTube income is simply from the advertising on their videos – but sometimes they also produce sponsored content. This got them in trouble with the Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) recently, when it was decided they hadn't made it clear to viewers that an Oreo audacity to put themselves out there. We spend all our time inside reading Harry Potter and playing video games. We're the faces of the losers at school. That's why Dan and Phil are different to other people, who look perfect, who are mainstream, with the perfect teeth and the perfect hair." They may share much of their lives with millions of followers, but the rest is strictly cordoned off. They live together in a flat in London, but won't say where. They brush off my question about what it feels like to be unlikely sex idols by claiming that their fans only fancy them "ironically". I ask Dan what biscuit-licking competition was paid for by the brand. The ads were banned. Dan and Phil's friendliness recedes for a moment when I bring it up. "Oh, for God's sake." savs Dan. “Was there a controversy? It was another element of misunderstanding, I think." “There was no controversy because there were no guidelines in place," says Phil. "This was just the ASA deciding what the rules should be. Everyone was, like, "Great, now we know what to do." "What we're annoyed by is that people think there was an incident, but the story was that nobody did anything wrong," adds Dan. "The ASA were deciding what the rules are, which is a good and necessary thing." Has the bruising episode put them off doing sponsored content? "I'm in the quite lucky position where I don't have to do a lot of sponsored content to support myself," says Dan. "I can take an opportunity if, for whatever reason, I want to. But there are he thinks about the persistent rumours that he is gay. He references the actor Tom Hardy's plea for privacy over the same issue. "We don't talk about our private lives in any way," he says. “Creatively, we want to be apart from the people who are reality stars. We don't want to be some Kardashian." "In real life, we are more likely to be playing video games or watching Come Dine with Me than going to nightclubs, and they [the fans] know that," adds Phil. The pair are enjoying their tour, not least because they "don't usually spend much time outdoors". Next up they plan to take it to Rio, Manila, Jakarta and America, where their biggest fanbase resides. But what does the future look like? Aren't they getting a bit old for larking about on YouTube? I find it hard to believe that these intelligent grown men aren't starting to find it odd playing entertainer to young teenage children. "Never underestimate the intelligence of a 12-year-old," says Dan, who claims that he doesn't dumb down his content for younger followers. "I'm having such a good time right now," says Phil. "The exciting thing is, no one knows what the future [for YouTubers] is going to be. We're the first ones, we're like the test subjects, to see what happens." "Everything is brand new," adds Dan. "Are the YouTubers going to jump on to TV? Is TV going to implode into nothingness? creators out there who literally survive off sponsored content. So I think it's necessary." YouTube is making them rich, but what do they say to people who find their work entertaining, but ultimately a bit pointless? "It's just wrong," says Dan. "It's completely wrong. It's understandable, people haven't had that much exposure to YouTube. The reason people like me is because I open up about my opinion and my thoughts on everything, from existentialism to whether or not it's right to keep hamsters in cages." "Even in our videos, we have fun in some, but others have advice and messages," Literally, nobody knows. We're in a great position, so we are going with the flow. Confidently." I The Amazing Book Is Not on Fire (Ebury Press £16.99) is out now. To buy it for £14.99, inc p&p, call 0845 271 2135 or visit thesundaytimes.co.uk/bookshop and Dan the apprentice, but in interviews, at says Phil. "A lot of it is reflecting what life is least, it appears that Dan is in charge as he ends up fielding almost every question, brimming with an almost arrogant ebullience about their achievements. "There is a whole fanbase out there that is like in school, or when starting university. That kind of thing, coming from someone who has experienced it, can help people." I wonder what their own explanation is for their seemingly insatiable appeal? "We THE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE• 47 phillesteronabun: flying-panda-cat: I paid £2.50 for the Sunday times, took out the magazine and binned the rest 😂 I’m sorry you paid to listen to a shitty interviewer being rude af
Perkins: DAN AND PHIL
 Seen
 and nerd
 MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR
 Above: YouTubers Dan Howell (left)
 and Phil Lester can now sell out arenas
 like rock stars

 DAN AND PHIL
 A geeky pair of YouTube bloggers have topped
 the autumn bestseller list with their debut
 book. Eight million teens are addicted to their
 channels. Josh Glancy meets the poster boys
 of the great British vlogger boom
 THE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE 41

 DAN AND PHIL
 THE WHO? Dan and Phil - their in-jokes and "like" patois are all but impenetrable to anyone over the age of 25
 here is an air of hushed
 excitement outside when I arrive
 at the arena an hour before the
 evening in October. And the two
 twentysomething British men are not rock
 stars, but gawky YouTube bloggers called
 Dan Howell and Phil Lester.
 and Phil have the passion of One Directioners
 or Beliebers (fans of Justin Bieber), but the
 relationship is not just one of distant
 obsession. Dan and Phil interact with their
 fans, tweet them, answer their questions and
 take on their challenges. For many of their
 followers, Dan and Phil play the role of big
 brother, agony aunt, newspaper columnist,
 comedian and sex icon combined.
 show begins. Groups of young
 teenage girls mingle nervously,
 cans of energy drink in one hand,
 iPhones glued to the other. Blue
 jeans and blue hair abound.
 Unless you are an attentive parent of a
 web-obsessed teenager or under 25, you are
 unlikely to have heard of Dan and Phil,
 whose online personas are Danisnotonfire
 and AmazingPhil. But in internet-land
 they are titans. Between them, they have
 more than 4m Twitter followers and 8m
 subscribers to their YouTube channels from
 as far afield as the USA, the Philippines and
 Indonesia. The pair have separate channels
 but also collaborate regularly.
 The figures don't do justice to their
 almost cult-like influence. Followers of Dan
 A voice calls from inside and
 the girls snap into line, trooping
 at speed into a VIP holding area, where free
 Haribo and mineral water are provided.
 Eventually, two young men walk in and the
 Toom erupts with screaming, crying, a flood
 of photos. "Oh, my God, you exist in real
 life!" one fan shouts. The girls are completely
 overwhelmed, yelping in excitement. The
 organiser tells me that fainting is a
 possibility, and assistants are on hand to
 They have been around for a few years
 now. Along with the likes of Alfie Deyes and
 Zoella they were at the heart of what they
 call the "great British vlogger boom" of 2013,
 when several vloggers went from having
 hundreds of thousands of followers to
 millions in a matter of months. But until
 recently, most members of the adult world,
 who use the internet for ordering groceries
 and checking the news, have continued to
 ignore them.
 Now, though, they are becoming
 impossible to dismiss. Last month they
 released a book, The Amazing Book Is Not
 on Fire, a glimpse into their online world
 and how it was created. Everyone in
 publishing had expected Bill Bryson's latest
 book to top the autumn bestseller list, >
 "We are nerds. We are losers.
 People like the fact that
 somebody like them has
 the audacity to put
 calm them down if necessary.
 This, I imagine, is what it felt like to
 De the Beatles in 1965, or to be One Direction
 today: world-famous megastars attracting
 nordes of feverish young women every time
 they land in New York or Los Angeles.
 Except this is not Hollywood, but the
 Plymouth Pavilions on a grey Tuesday
 themselves out there"
 THE SUNDAY TIMES MAGAZINE• 43

 it was immediately beaten into second
 place by the "amazing" book. Their debut
 sold almost 50,000 copies in its first fortnight.
 DAN AND PHIL
 en and Phil are outperforming books by
 Tom Jones, Sue Perkins and Steven Gerrard.
 Vlogger books are the new frontier in
 publishing. Last year, despite controversy
 over whether she actually wrote it.
 7oella's debut, Girl Online, became the
 fastest-selling debut novel since records
 began, shifting 78,109 copies in just one
 reek. The 25-year-old fashion blogger from
 Wiltshire sold as if she were JK Rowling.
 Unsurprisingly, all the publishing houses
 are eager for a piece of this new alchemy.
 The Amazing Book Is Not on Fire doesn't
 fit a conventional book format. It is partly
 the story of Dan and Phil and partly trivia
 about their lives, along with silly drawings,
 games, emoji interviews and selfie reels. The
 Catcher in the Rye it is not, but intelligent
 children are devouring it nonetheless.
 To accompany the book they have
 developed a stand-up show and are touring
 the country, filling theatres and arenas from
 Belfast to Brighton. The unlikely princes of
 new media are taking old media by storm.
 This is what has brought me to Plymouth,
 with a number of questions I want
 answered. Who are these strange internet
 geeks who are taking over the real world?
 And how on earth do they do it?
 WILD AT HEART "In real life we're likely to be watching Come Dine with Me"
 They brush off my question
 about what it feels like to
 be unlikely sex idols by
 claiming that their fans only
 fancy them "ironically"
 T
 he Dan and Phil phenomenon is
 undeniably huge, but as I arrive in
 Plymouth I'm still slightly baffled
 as to what their appeal actually is.
 I watched several of their videos
 ahead of the show. They are
 quirky and eloquent, a paean to
 internet wackiness, but they also
 come across as fairly aimless, full
 of creativity without direction and
 smile around them, but it is difficult to believe
 we are all about the same age. Spending most
 of the past decade on YouTube has given
 the internet generation would stop reading
 printed books were wrong.
 "This book appeals to all sorts," says
 Zach, 16, one of only two boys amid a sea of
 girls. "There are a lot of people I know who
 them a Peter Pan-like quality; they come
 across as a pair of overgrown teenagers.
 "Watching Dan and Phil makes me
 laugh, it makes me happy," says Shelby,
 a 16-year-old with electric-blue hair and a
 pierced septum. "They have a unique
 connection with their audience. They act
 humour without any depth.
 A typical video might see the pair
 attempt to apply make-up to one another's
 faces while wearing a blindfold. They often
 conduct "seven-second challenges",
 submitted by fans, such as "name three
 things you wouldn't have tattooed on your
 body" or "spell Christmas backwards", which really casual with you, like you're all part of
 they then have seven seconds to complete.
 At the show, I asked some of the girls
 what it is they like so much about their
 idols. The most common response was that
 they are dorky everymen with whom
 teenagers can genuinely identify. They seem
 to provide an online comfort blanket, a
 refuge from the travails of adolescence.
 I joined Dan and Phil backstage for a
 while and found them unthreatening, clean-
 cut, lovable and slightly irritating. Their
 clothes are Topman, their hairstyles both
 fiercely swept Bieber-esque fringes. Their
 humour is also similar: a fusion of millennial their own special technique for how to paint party: Smartie Artie meets Michael Mclntyre
 kookiness, "like" patois and David Brentian
 irony. They work well together, generating a
 bouncy positivity that makes it hard not to
 would never ever read a book in their life
 who have bought this. They've watched the
 YouTube videos so they know what to
 expect." Zach is in the long queue to meet
 Dan and Phil, which involves a hug with the
 pair, a quick selfie and then a furious session
 of tweeting, Instagramming and
 WhatsApping the picture to jealous friends.
 It's only when I watch the show itself
 that I understand quite what is going on
 here. The entire thing is full of in-jokes from
 their vlogs. Phil sits on a giant model lion,
 Dan on a llama. The crowd emits an ear-
 splitting shriek– apparently Dan has a thing
 for llamas. Then they start acting out
 seven-second challenges. I'm the same age
 as Phil, 28, but I have never felt more
 the same internet family." Shelby is part of
 the sprawling, multi-platform Dan and Phil
 online community. She has a special Twitter
 account that she uses to discuss their work
 with virtual fans all over the country.
 "I love Dan and Phil because I can relate
 to them," says Abby, a 14-year-old fan. “I just
 like watching them so much. They're my
 favourite YouTubers because they are more
 personal, you can relate to them more."
 Like many of the girls present, Abby has
 cat whiskers painted on her face. This is a
 Dan and Phil trademark - they demonstrate
 appallingly middle-aged. The whole event
 has the feel of a large children's birthday
 What I quickly realise is that boring
 adults aren't meant to get it. Indeed, the fact
 they don't is part of the appeal. In the >
 them in one of their videos. Almost
 everyone is clutching a copy of Dan and
 Phil's book, proof that those who thought
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 same way that pop music confounded the
 eardrums of mid-20th-century parents, fans
 of Dan and Phil like the fact that this is their
 DAN AND PHIL
 world and the rest of us don't understand.
 meet Dan and Phil properly the next
 day at the offices of their publisher.
 They are 24 and 28 respectively, but
 when Dan describes my use of a pen to
 take notes as "endearing", it feels like
 ve are from different generations.
 Texplain my struggle to understand
 what it is they actually do on YouTube.
 "There is a whole fanbase out
 there that is specifically
 passionate about me and Phil
 and what we stand for"
 Dan smiles knowingly. “Nobody
 specifically passionate about me and Phil
 and what we stand for," he says.
 understands what YouTube is vet.
 especially in the British media and public,"
 represent the people who aren't cool," says
 Dan. "We are nerds. We are losers. People
 They are understandably coy about their like the fact that someone like them has the
 ays. "The grandma that has Facebook
 cees YouTube as this place where there are
 ints of cat videos. But really it's a Wild West
 frontier of independent creativity. For the
 frst time in the world, you don't have
 commissioning editors and channels and
 budgets. People are just independently
 doing whatever they want."
 Dan Howell, a Berkshire native, is the
 pin-up of the duo and turns up in a tight-
 itting black leather jacket and black skinny
 jeans. Phil Lester is older, a “YouTube
 dinosaur". He started on the website in the
 far-distant days of 2006 and was already a
 regular vlogger when Dan messaged him
 five years ago to ask for help with his own
 video ambitions. Both were living in
 Manchester at the time: Phil with his
 parents, having just finished a master's in
 video postproduction, and Dan in his first
 year studying law at Manchester University.
 "I wasn't making videos to get an
 audience," says Phil. "I just saw it was a cool
 thing that other people were doing. I was just
 going to talk about my day and whack it on
 there. It took a year to get 100 subscribers."
 "Everybody who is at a big place these
 days has been growing their channel for
 years," says Dan, who describes his early
 YouTubing as a "creative hobby with no
 goal in sight", and claims success came to
 him pretty much by accident.
 Things moved faster once the pair began
 collaborating regularly. Dan dropped out of
 university and the pair gave themselves a
 year to see if they could make a living out of
 YouTube. In 2013 Radio 1 brought them in to
 appeal to younger listeners and they quickly
 found themselves reporting from the Brit
 Awards - but YouTube has remained their
 main focus until the recent book and tour.
 "I like the book because it's a physical copy
 of everything we've done on YouTube," says
 Phil. "If we die in a meteor strike in 50 years,
 it will still exist."
 Phil may have started off as the master
 earnings, but it's clear they haven't looked
 back from their decision to try to make a
 living off YouTube. Estimates put Dan's
 wealth at £2m. Their main source of
 YouTube income is simply from the
 advertising on their videos – but sometimes
 they also produce sponsored content.
 This got them in trouble with the
 Advertising Standards Agency (ASA)
 recently, when it was decided they hadn't
 made it clear to viewers that an Oreo
 audacity to put themselves out there. We
 spend all our time inside reading Harry
 Potter and playing video games. We're the
 faces of the losers at school. That's why Dan
 and Phil are different to other people, who
 look perfect, who are mainstream, with the
 perfect teeth and the perfect hair."
 They may share much of their lives with
 millions of followers, but the rest is strictly
 cordoned off. They live together in a flat in
 London, but won't say where. They brush off
 my question about what it feels like to be
 unlikely sex idols by claiming that their fans
 only fancy them "ironically". I ask Dan what
 biscuit-licking competition was paid for by
 the brand. The ads were banned. Dan and
 Phil's friendliness recedes for a moment
 when I bring it up. "Oh, for God's sake." savs
 Dan. “Was there a controversy? It was another
 element of misunderstanding, I think."
 “There was no controversy because
 there were no guidelines in place," says Phil.
 "This was just the ASA deciding what the
 rules should be. Everyone was, like,
 "Great, now we know what to do."
 "What we're annoyed by is that people
 think there was an incident, but the story
 was that nobody did anything wrong," adds
 Dan. "The ASA were deciding what the rules
 are, which is a good and necessary thing."
 Has the bruising episode put them off
 doing sponsored content? "I'm in the quite
 lucky position where I don't have to do a lot
 of sponsored content to support myself,"
 says Dan. "I can take an opportunity if, for
 whatever reason, I want to. But there are
 he thinks about the persistent rumours that
 he is gay. He references the actor Tom
 Hardy's plea for privacy over the same issue.
 "We don't talk about our private lives in any
 way," he says. “Creatively, we want to be
 apart from the people who are reality stars.
 We don't want to be some Kardashian."
 "In real life, we are more likely to be
 playing video games or watching Come Dine
 with Me than going to nightclubs, and they
 [the fans] know that," adds Phil.
 The pair are enjoying their tour, not least
 because they "don't usually spend much
 time outdoors". Next up they plan to take it
 to Rio, Manila, Jakarta and America, where
 their biggest fanbase resides. But what does
 the future look like? Aren't they getting a bit
 old for larking about on YouTube? I find it
 hard to believe that these intelligent grown
 men aren't starting to find it odd playing
 entertainer to young teenage children.
 "Never underestimate the intelligence of
 a 12-year-old," says Dan, who claims that he
 doesn't dumb down his content for younger
 followers. "I'm having such a good time
 right now," says Phil. "The exciting thing is,
 no one knows what the future [for YouTubers]
 is going to be. We're the first ones, we're like
 the test subjects, to see what happens."
 "Everything is brand new," adds Dan.
 "Are the YouTubers going to jump on to TV?
 Is TV going to implode into nothingness?
 creators out there who literally survive off
 sponsored content. So I think it's necessary."
 YouTube is making them rich, but what
 do they say to people who find their work
 entertaining, but ultimately a bit pointless?
 "It's just wrong," says Dan. "It's completely
 wrong. It's understandable, people haven't
 had that much exposure to YouTube. The
 reason people like me is because I open up
 about my opinion and my thoughts on
 everything, from existentialism to whether
 or not it's right to keep hamsters in cages."
 "Even in our videos, we have fun in
 some, but others have advice and messages,"
 Literally, nobody knows. We're in a great
 position, so we are going with the
 flow. Confidently." I
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 and Dan the apprentice, but in interviews, at says Phil. "A lot of it is reflecting what life is
 least, it appears that Dan is in charge as he
 ends up fielding almost every question,
 brimming with an almost arrogant
 ebullience about their achievements.
 "There is a whole fanbase out there that is
 like in school, or when starting university.
 That kind of thing, coming from someone
 who has experienced it, can help people."
 I wonder what their own explanation is
 for their seemingly insatiable appeal? "We
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phillesteronabun:

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